What is objectively wrong with sexual immorality?

For generations, the Left have framed LGBT individuals as victims and oppressed, in an effort to push society to accept their behavior increasingly as acceptable, and even virtuous. More and more, the Left are promoting LGBT behavior as being morally comparable to traditional heterosexual behavior, and even superior. It is a classic emotional play by the Left. The Left stir society’s emotions to a high level, in order to get it to accept something, without giving it too much thought. While I appreciate LGBT behavior comprise a set of vices for a section of a society’s population, and this should temper how we view these individuals, LGBT behavior is none-the-less unnatural, dangerous behavior, that can decimate lives, and an entire society.

Patmore Douglas 7/2/2021 9:48:00 PM

A commentator over at banned.video, wanted to make the case for the immorality of bestiality. The following is my effort at doing so and more.

Natural Law

Beyond people’s natural impulse of disgust, American and western societies believed for centuries, in this thing called natural law. Natural law is the law or principles which govern our material world, which can be discerned by looking at life experiences, and noting successes and failures in life, when people or creatures adhere to or reject these principles.

Romans 1

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Paul the apostle, pointed to natural law in the above scripture (highlighted in red). Natural law is natural, moral law, such that when one adheres to it, it leads that person to an overall successful, happy, virtuous, life. The above is indisputable. Centuries of adherence by American and other civilizations to natural law / the law of Moses, have proven it to be true. The history of those who rejected natural law, and suffered inevitable destruction, has also proven natural law to be true. Natural moral law, is a type of natural law, that governs human behavior. There is natural law that governs the physical interactions of phenomena in our material universe. These are covered by the physical sciences such as physics and chemistry. There is natural law that governs economics, psychology, music, and just about all areas of our existence. Just like how in physics, economics, etc., we discern the rules that govern the various areas of our existence through observation and discovery, and record this information to texts, we do the same thing for human behavior, and produce books on moral code. It is these books (in addition to the Bible, which has been empirically seen to be harmonious with natural law) which has admonished western civilization for many centuries, against the licentiousness promoted by the Left.

Quite simply, per natural law, if a behavior is not harmonious with the functioning of nature, it is considered bad, and leads to bad consequences. The greater the deviation, the worse the infraction, and the greater the consequences for the individuals and societies that engage in it. Given that human sexual organs were built to be used in specific ways (the human penis inserted into the human vagina to yield offspring) deviations from this purpose is regarded as sinful, and the greater the deviation, the greater the sin. That is how we know behaviors pushed by the LGBT group are sinful. LGBT behaviors are all significant deviations from natural behavior, and are as a result, considered anathemas to natural law. LGBT behaviors are also called abominations in the Bible – indicating they are a terrible class of sin.

Sexual immorality, are like small fractures that emerge in large structures. Unattended, they can bring down an entire civilization like small fractures can grow and bring down an entire ship.

As a practical matter, how many societies do you see around us engaging in large scale licentiousness and unnatural behavior? None. Why? Because they have never lasted long historically. They have always been wiped out in fairly short order.

The Left’s defense of sexual immorality

Let’s look at some of the Left’s defense of sexual immorality:

Love is love

The Left act as if we live in a lawless universe, and we can do whatever we want, without consequences. Can we sing poorly in a good choir, and expect to remain in the choir? Can we offer poor customer service to our customers, and expect them to return? Can we cheat on our significant others, and expect our significant others to disregard our cheating? So then we live in a world filled with rules, and if we break those rules, there are consequences. So how can the Left make the claim that love is love? If a man forcibly kisses a woman, is this form of love okay? If a woman has an STD, and has sex with a man, is that form of love okay? So then love is not love, but we live in a world with rules, and we should try to conduct ourselves in harmony with those rules – particularly the rules dictated by nature – in order to escape the consequences that come from violating those rules.

As long as you are not hurting anyone …

LGBT behavior generally harms those who practice it. Men who engage in the behavior, wind up being among those having the highest risk for contracting AIDS, Hepatitis A and B, Syphilis, Chlamydia, and Gonorrhea. For example, in 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who had sex with men, accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases, where the sex of the sex partner was known, in the United States. Also, in 2018, gay and bisexual men, made up 69% of the 37,968 new HIV diagnoses in the United States (US) and dependent areas. Approximately 492,000 sexually active gay and bisexual men, were at high risk for HIV.

Research shows that, compared to other men, gay and bisexual men have higher chances of having:

  1. Major depression,
  2. Bipolar disorder, and
  3. Generalized anxiety disorder.


28% of homosexual men had more than 1000 partners:  “Bell and Weinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308.” (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)

Does Science Show Homosexuality is Healthy?

A major study by Bell and Weinberg revealed that 78% of male homo- sexual "affairs" (relationships entered into with an intent of commitment) lasted less than three years. Only 12% lasted five years or longer. Certainly, this shows a pattern of broken relationships that must be painful for many. Reference - Study by Alan P. Bell and Martin S. Weinberg, "Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women", (New York, Simon and Shuster, 1978) p.314

73% of the psychiatrists in the American Psychiatric Association who responded to a survey by Harold I. Lief said that they thought that homosexual men are less happy than others. 70% percent said they believed that the homosexuals' problems were due more to personal conflicts than to social stigmatization. Study by Harold I. Lief, Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality 2 (1977), pp.110- 111..


In a national health care survey 75% of the nearly 2000 lesbian respondents reported they had pursued psychological counselling of some kind, many for treatment of long-term depression or sadness. Reference - J. Bradford et al., "National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental Health Care," Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality, p. 81.

Homosexual men are 6 times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men. Reference - Study by Bell and Weinberg, "Homosexualities", Table 21.12

Studies indicate that between 25 and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics. Reference - Study by Robert J. Kus, "Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay American Men", Journal of Homosexuality, Volume 14, No.2 (1987), p.254


90% of lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one of more acts of verbal aggression from their partners during the year prior to the study, and 31% reported experiencing physical abuse. Reference - Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (1994): 469-492.  In another reference we see that "the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population." Reference - Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41-59.

The Medical Institute for Sexual Health further reported: "It should be noted that most studies of family violence do not differentiate between married and unmarried partner status. Studies that do make these distinctions have found that marriage relationships tend to have the least intimate partner violence when compared to cohabiting or dating relationships." Reference - Health Implications Associated With Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 79.

Lesbians are 3 times more likely to abuse alcohol and to suffer from other compulsive behaviours. Reference - Joanne Hall, "Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Expectations," Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238-244. A study of homosexual twins found that they are more likely to have attempted suicide than there heterosexual twin. Reference - R. Herrell et al., "A Co-twin Study in Adult Men," Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867-874

The life expectancy for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for men in general. Reference - Robert S. Hogg et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657.

"A disproportionate percentage - 29 percent - of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent. "Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50." Reference - P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772

Report: Pedophilia more common among homosexuals

WASHINGTON (BP)–Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

“Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture,” wrote Steve Baldwin in, “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement,” soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review — after Stanford Law Review backed out.

Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C.

“It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh,” wrote Baldwin. “However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization –the nuclear family.”

Though the homosexual community and much of the media scoff at such accusations, Baldwin – who chaired the California Assembly’s Education committee, where he fought against support for the homosexual agenda in the state’s public schools – says in his report that homosexual activists’ “efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement” constitute an “unmistakable” attack on “the family unit.”

Baldwin’s research is substantiated in a recently completed body of work written by Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education, former member of the Meese pornography commission and author of numerous authoritative books debunking sexual myths, including “Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences.”

In her thesis –also written for the Regent University Law Review –Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …”

Abel also found that non-incarcerated “child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males.”

“The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” Reisman wrote. She said “Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”


A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin’s report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be “gay.” According to the study, “Archives of Sexual Behavior,” some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.


The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is “a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love,” Baldwin said in his report.

The group is often endorsed by “many of the homosexual movement’s most prominent leaders,” he said.

Promotion of the “gay and lesbian lifestyle” is increasing in the nation’s public schools.

A WorldNetDaily survey of homosexual-oriented websites found that almost every group has some sort of program to “educate” teachers, school administrators and other school employees about the homosexual lifestyle:

1. GLSEN — the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network — bills itself as “the largest national network of parents, students, educators and others” specifically formed to end “discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity/expression in K-12 schools. Two recent press releases boasted of the Broward County (Fla.) school board approving GLSEN-sponsored “training for teachers.”


So while the Left promote LGBT behavior as just an alternative lifestyle choice, it is much worse than that. LGBT behavior puts you at high risk for very dangerous, life altering, physical and psychological diseases. LGBT behavior predisposes you to extremely high levels of promiscuity, which in turn predisposes you to STDs, and sexual experimentations, at levels that can be orders of magnitude greater than what heterosexuals are exposed to. Long term relationships among homosexuals is a myth, with only 12% of homosexual relationships lasting more than 5 years. You are less likely to be happy if you are gay. About 75% of lesbians seek psychological counseling. Homosexual men are about 6 times more likely to attempt to commit suicide that heterosexual men. Between 25% and 33% of homosexual men and women are alcoholics. 90% of lesbians verbally abuse by their partners. 31% of lesbians physically abuse by their partners. Lesbians are 3 times more likely to abuse alcohol and to suffer from other compulsive behaviors. The life expectancy for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for men in general.

A disproportionate percentage - 29 percent - of adult children of homosexual parents, are specifically subjected to sexual molestation by the homosexual parents, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents - having reported sexual relations with their parents. "Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50."

Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis. Homosexual activists target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement. Homosexuals sexually molest young boys, five times or greater than heterosexuals molest young girls. Most pedophiles consider themselves to be gay. Some 86 percent of pedophiles describe themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Promotion of the gay and lesbian lifestyle is increasing in the nation’s public schools.

The above findings from studies, are consistent with the predictions in the biblical scripture, Romans 1:18-32 (quoted above), regarding the deteriorating behavior and quality of life, of those who flout natural law. Just like with all other laws, the more you deviate from it, the greater the consequences. Therefore, do not allow the Left to deceive you into thinking that engaging in unnatural sexual acts, have no consequences. They do. Traditional heterosexual relationships are the most healthy, as they are consistent with natural law. As you deviate from traditional heterosexual relationships, the quality of your life deteriorates. The farther you move away from heterosexual relationships, particularly on a widescale, the more you imperil yourself, and society.